This subject is deep and it's late.
What is it that determines what is bad or good on that scale? Forbin's link to secular reasoning as far morality goes... I didn't really read all that into them, but what is lacking in what little I read is the realization that what one group accepts as good actions are bad even repulsive within other groups. It's probably in there somewhere. I'll try to read into it later as it looks very interesting.
Anyways, if you were a bad person in this one area because what you did in that lifetime was considered bad and then you get born into the next life where your behavior from the previous lifetime is considered acceptable, then how are you being punished for the bad deeds you did before?
What I'm trying to say is it appears that karma is a mystical concept that has set parameters for what is good and bad and how that's is dealt with. It also appears that these concepts of good and bad are based on a consensus, a human consensus. I'm not understanding how that could be when you have all these different consensuses out there defining what's good and bad for themselves.
Here's a thought.
OK Racer X, you have a lot of money 1 million dollars, you put it in my bank. Forbin comes along and robs it, taking your money.
Now here's the thing. You made that money exploiting little kids working in sweat shops. I actually set forbin up, telling him the security codes or whatever he needed to rob the bank and get the money. I did that for a percentage of the money. I needed that money to give to a relative so they could get a life saving operation. Forbin comes from a subculture where getting away with scamming someone who isn't them is a respectable thing.
How does karma work here?
Karma.... Sure If you live by the sword, you'll most likely die by it too.
But I think you make your own fate. Pre-ordained events such as what Buddhists, some Christian and some Islamic sects believe in. I have a hard time believing that.
Reincarnation... I actually believe that's possible to a certain extent.
If you are the sum of all your parts and you can numerically code those parts, then everything is a numeric code. That code can repeat itself all through history. Even be contemporaries of each other. Now I don't think the person "reincarnated" by having the same codes as a person in the past life will actually be that person, but I bet the appearance and the basic disposition of the person would be very similar if not identical.
But that happening is along the same lines as having a lottery with the same winning numbers being drawn in different drawings.
This part:
"As a Buddhist, there is no such thing as 'original sin', there is only the karma that you attract through your actions in this life.
This implies that a bad person will have bad things happen to them and good things to good people. OK what is it that determines what are "good actions" and what are "bad actions"?
Say I get drunk one night, do something stupid like drive, and wind up running over and killing a little kid, this kid was going to grow into a serial killer and would have eventually killed the person that was supposed to become the 56th President of the United States and would have kept us out of a nuclear showdown with Sri Lanka had he not been murdered decades earlier.
Are my actions bad then?
Now don't tell me yes because the reason is we have no way of determining the kid was a future serial killer. We're talking about karma and its fundamental mechanics.
Timelines should mean nothing in that regard.
If there are no gods, then what defines these actions as good or bad and what is it that decides the punishment and rewards for these actions?
"Heaven, hell, ? Original sin ? Wasn't Satan originally an angel ? How did he fall from favour ? "
Uh I think it depends on what religious sect you're in. Satan is also known as the adversary. He's NOT the enemy of God so much as he is jealous of humanity and he supposedly spends all his time coming up with ways to get humans to screw up.
The more dysopean (spelling? The doom and gloom - waiting for the Rapture types) believe along the lines of that Melville Poem, Paradise Lost, being that Pride made Satan a bad guy out to take over the the whole Heaven and Hell and Earth stuff.
The way I look at it, if God was the creator of all things, that includes bad things too, then Satan is actually one of the good guys doing God's work.
But what do I know? I'm just another Blasphemous Heathen.
When Chavez was in power, he made a deal with Russia to start manufacturing AK-47s and some other small arms. Anyone with half a brain knows who the target demographic for those guns are. Oh well, at least now those guns are going to be limited in where they're headed and limited in how many - if any get produced.
The next questions that should be asked is when and where is this is going to spread?
Bolivians ain't too happy... Ecuador?
Socialism..... Every country is socialist to a degree. From psycho North Korea, the Nanny state UK and even the wide open, wheelin and dealin US of A.
All are varying degrees of socialism.
But over time I've come to realize that the vast majority of political movements with "Social" in their title are anything but that.
Like here in this country we have a right wing conservative faction that calls itself "Social" conservatives. I think they use that "social" word because if they said what they really are, Homophobic, racist, hate mongering, religious fundamentalcases, it would scare people away.
Then we also have a faction on the left that calls itself "Social" progressives.
These are the over educated morons that have decided that other people shouldn't be allowed to think for themselves - unless of course they went to the same colleges and had the same goofy professor that couldn't make it in the real world as they did. But they can't be honest about that so they slap on the "SOCIAL" moniker instead.
The next questions that should be asked is when and where is this is going to spread?
Bolivians ain't too happy... Ecuador?
Socialism..... Every country is socialist to a degree. From psycho North Korea, the Nanny state UK and even the wide open, wheelin and dealin US of A.
All are varying degrees of socialism.
But over time I've come to realize that the vast majority of political movements with "Social" in their title are anything but that.
Like here in this country we have a right wing conservative faction that calls itself "Social" conservatives. I think they use that "social" word because if they said what they really are, Homophobic, racist, hate mongering, religious fundamentalcases, it would scare people away.
Then we also have a faction on the left that calls itself "Social" progressives.
These are the over educated morons that have decided that other people shouldn't be allowed to think for themselves - unless of course they went to the same colleges and had the same goofy professor that couldn't make it in the real world as they did. But they can't be honest about that so they slap on the "SOCIAL" moniker instead.
It seems you can go from Cable to Hydraulic, not the other way around though.
At least not anything I found. Seems a lot of dirt bike owners want to convert from cable to fluid though.
Oh well. After sitting on the bike and thinking about down shifting and up shifting, false neutrals and going in and out of corners. Nevermind. I'll just keep the same forward controls. I don't think the cool factor of the suicide shifter is enough for the loss of performance. Especially with how much of a pain in the ass it'll be to figure out.
Ever read a book called Good Omens?
When Satan tempted them with the forbidden fruit, to be doing that, wasn't Satan doing God's work? What if Satan refused to tempt them? Wouldn't that have been the sinful thing to do?
yeah, The breakdown that country is headed to isn't going to be nice and it will affect our countries directly.
Chavez was a nut case.... but this new guy in charge? he's off the charts.
Yeah that. And it's not that easy. Sure rearrange the hose, but where to put the resevoir? I could transverse mount it on the shifter, but then I'd have to do something with the lever. Some sort of linkage. Put the reservoir on the frame somewhere?
I don't think I can do much with the stock lever. Not anything that would be both reliably functional and look good. I have easy access to a water jet cutter and metal finishing, I could come up with something.
LOL there's always google. All the metric customs out there, there's bound to be something I can learn from.
Oh no... this is straight up fantasy. LOL That kind of racing would be suicidal at best.
I'm a strange American in that I don't believe in Capital punishment or abortion. Usually we believe in one and totally against the other.
Sure there's plenty of people out there that don't really need to be breathing anymore, but governments aren't known to be the most competent institutions for doing that.
And like you said...what sort of justice would be served if he gets lionized in the media, then allowed to take a nap? That is too good for him.
Nope, he should be in a prison, where even if he doesn't care about what he's done, others will. Somewhere where he has to worry about some dude shanking him over a food tray instead of having up to date video games.
That one blue bike... the one that looks like a cross between a lazy-boy recliner and a ninja? They show photos of it going thru twisties, but it still looks like it's not very maneuverable. It has a lower center of gravity, but still How touchy would it be or would it be stiff at highway speeds? I dunno. it looks like it would be too hard to initiate a quick turn and too easy to overcompensate at the same time. I wouldn't want to be on it when some texter decides to veer into my lane.
But as far as racing at something like Talledega or whatever, would that be a good riding position?
I gotta another problem... I've been seriously considering making the suzuki a suicide shifter. You know, a gear shift. Only it has a wet clutch. I want to incorporate the clutch lever with the gear shift. Any ideas? Yeah, it's dumb and dangerous, so I probably won't do it. But it would look cool.
LOL scooter trash seeking advice from a crotch rocketeer about a chopper project.
LOL I dunno. Here that rivalry really doesn't exist. There's oneupmanship, but that's limited to stupid jokes or comments. Not no disrespect.
I think that's just some nonsense some cager made up stuck in traffic, hating on us cause somebody like Gils rode by with the guy's highschool sweet heart on the back, totally diggin the pencil that was under the bitch box.
It's finally a nice day here. Think I'm gonna play in traffic with the weekend warriors and their mortgage glides for a while.
While this debate/discussion/ BS fest was happening, about ... I dunno 5-10 miles south of me a really gruesome murder happened. Not the same cartel/gang based homicide or two drunks fighting over the same parking space shooting we normally get. No. this was out there.
http://www.chron.com/neighborh ... teen-s-family-5224664.php
They don't into too much detail of the murder. What actually happened in detail would really be too much for them to put in the article. Trust me. It's really bad.
LOL too bad for them they're not in Norway. They could be playing video games instead of worrying about being punked out.
http://www.chron.com/neighborh ... teen-s-family-5224664.php
They don't into too much detail of the murder. What actually happened in detail would really be too much for them to put in the article. Trust me. It's really bad.
LOL too bad for them they're not in Norway. They could be playing video games instead of worrying about being punked out.
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He gets 3 hots and a cot AND a play station? What did the survivors of the victims get?
Closure? A sense of justice? Especially knowing he's getting a free ride and playing video games?
Dammit Norway! OK so you don't execute scumbags, but don't y'all have something like the ABT or the Mexican Mafia in your prison system? Get them to take care of this clown. All he's doing is wasting your tax payer money.
Hunger strike? Well since the government there has decided he has more value than the victims and coddles him, They ought to indulge him in this matter too and let him starve.
LOL They should see if they can transfer him to a correctional facility that knows how to properly care for inmates like him.
I'm thinking Louisiana or Brazil.
Closure? A sense of justice? Especially knowing he's getting a free ride and playing video games?
Dammit Norway! OK so you don't execute scumbags, but don't y'all have something like the ABT or the Mexican Mafia in your prison system? Get them to take care of this clown. All he's doing is wasting your tax payer money.
Hunger strike? Well since the government there has decided he has more value than the victims and coddles him, They ought to indulge him in this matter too and let him starve.
LOL They should see if they can transfer him to a correctional facility that knows how to properly care for inmates like him.
I'm thinking Louisiana or Brazil.
I started a sketch on a fantasy bike I thought would be used for NASCAR style oval racing. Well you know that saying,"If you've thought it up, someone else has built it"?
Yeah...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?a ... cthIoFg&v=ANwiN2jAa3s
only this guy uses a dodge viper motor. LOL I don't like the rider's position on his bike either. It's a little too high
Yeah...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?a ... cthIoFg&v=ANwiN2jAa3s
only this guy uses a dodge viper motor. LOL I don't like the rider's position on his bike either. It's a little too high
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I love you too.
Would've posted sooner, but was afraid Ms. Rose was here waiting to tear me a new one
You're a Buddhist?....My Brother-in-law is a Hindu from Nepal. LOL internet dating. turning spinsters into cougars and illegal aliens into people with green cards...
You KNOW I have fun with him (his Nickname is either Slum dog or Apu or nevermind..). He's actually a good guy. he's got a good sense of humor. Dummer than a sack of hammers, but if you like Indian food, the dude can cook.
Anyways, he's from a pretty interesting sect. Apparently this sect is into smoking weed. ROFL when we found that out we RAN with it! If you made the mistake of being in our family, then you're open game. Unlike sex, racism is fun if you keep it in the family.
Anyways, heard of Joel Olsteen? Well this dude on Sunday, when they broadcast his show, sits around watching it, smoking dope.
After the laugh attack, the realization set in. he watched the show because since it was supposedly religious in nature, it provided the spiritual link his faith required. I ain't making this up. Wow. Get high and watch Joel Olsteen.... go figure.
Buddhism... It's been years since I seriously cared enough, so I don't remember where I got this from. Buddhism is a lot like Islam and Christianity as it's expansive in nature. In fact, they spread as far west as Babylon, thus coming into contact with the Ameraic people (Hebrews). There was evidence, not much, that in Jesus' early years, before Yoko. Wait Before he became the Jesus in the Bible, he was in Babylon and may have came into contact with the religion and it shaped his ideology. It could've been an influence if you think about it a little. What do you think?
A lot of the splits between Christianity and Judaism are similarities between Christianity and Buddhism, don't you think?
I dunno... there's this one church in Kentucky where they play blaring Rock-a-billy and let snakes bite them. Yeah, I could dig smoking dope and going to that church... Beats the hell out of Joel Olsteen.
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Reason : Green CARDS not cars dammit!
.... Who are you posting this to?
Did you bother to read my posts on this matter? Or just picking things to make arguments with?
I'm just stating the stuff that they threw at me. Not what I believe. Gheesh. Get a clue.
But to be honest, all your history channel interpretations of the Bible would get you shot down in flames if you were to prop all that up in a debate with a real deal Jesus freak.
>>> Yes I Do know about the canonization process and what criteria the books had to have to be considered in the New Testament.
Hey I gotta idea. Why don't you tell us about the Mysteries of the Yule Log?
"There are also many things which are not regarded as sins but also carry chronically severe punishments, such as a wife's husband dying before she bears him a son."
Testament? Book? Verse? Or did they tell that on the TV?
"You might also want to look at the history of how the bible was written, the when and who. For instance, there is an awful lot of that pesky annoying evidence stuff that says categorically that the entire religion was a contrivance of the Roman senate who failed to secure affirmative military victory against the rebellious Israelites (who in a fit of irony with today's world: took issue with paying taxes) and who instead sought to subjugate the Israelites by serving them with a modified form of Judaism."
Why? It's most likely more half baked nonsense with more flimsy evidence than the Bible it attacks.
"Just do at the least understand the difference between what your bible actually says on various subjects instead of what the established dogma interprets - and then interpret the bits that you like and ignore all that awkward slavery and misogynistic stuff."
You mean sorta like what you're doing?
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LOL I like that song.
They're kinda like a cross between Mearle Haggard and Drop Kick Murphys
Here. Pretend you're an American for about 15 minutes.
Apparently, I agree with Libertarians 73% (LOL like they get elected for much) Republicans 69% (nice number) Democrats 51% (didn't think it's be THAT high)
the Green party 37% (hadn't hugged a tree since the LSD days, but that's another story)
And the Socialists 13% (WTF???!!!!??? I'm from Texas. There's gotta be a mistake there somewhere. The only use I have for Socialists is for them to hold my targets!)
Apparently, I agree with Libertarians 73% (LOL like they get elected for much) Republicans 69% (nice number) Democrats 51% (didn't think it's be THAT high)
the Green party 37% (hadn't hugged a tree since the LSD days, but that's another story)
And the Socialists 13% (WTF???!!!!??? I'm from Texas. There's gotta be a mistake there somewhere. The only use I have for Socialists is for them to hold my targets!)
Sorry, just don't believe in it. ... uh Kharma this time.
To quote Mickey (Woody Harrelson) from Natural Born Killers, "I am the God of my world".
"The difference is, in Christianity you are not responsible for your actions..."
Yep, the devil made me do it
Here you'll get a kick outta this. Kinky Friedman, The Greatest Jew since Jesus Christ. he's running for Ag commissioner here in Texas. He favors making weed legal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-wAlp7PDYM
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The Christianity that got rammed down my throat said all sins are equal.
So no, my argument isn't false. Or are you trying to decide for me what is Christian and what isn't? You sure you're not a Southern Baptist? My grandpa did that all the damned time.
LOL he didn't think much of Catholics, He called them Idol worshiping gamblers.
If i was religious, all that Catholicism dictates would fall on deaf ears as far as I'm concerned.
And the grape thing... That's Kosher, like Pork and shellfish.
Jews got like 6 hundred or so things they have to look out for besides the ten commandments. I think the food thing phased out when Jesus traveled to the future and got a McRib.
If you really want fodder to promote your atheist religion (look at how you've been "preaching" it), then read the book of Timothy. There's all kinds of stuff in that that you could use to trip up Christians.
Man, It's REALLY getting HOT here!
eww. It sorta does sound that way don't it?
is it depraved and deplorable for God to sit back and watch people lie, cheat and steal?
is it deplorable for him to watch people gamble their savings away?
Is it deplorable for him to allow people to wish they had what someone else does?
See your problem is your trying to put a value on sins. That's a big problem with all of us. LOL For us to be doing that is the sin of vanity, you know. But as far as the big picture goes, it's just one more sinful act out of an infinite amount. No sin is worse than another. it's like trying to call a color as dark black or something. It's still black.
And if there was a God and he... I dunno abolished a sin from being able to happen, where would the line be drawn on that?
In the case of child molestation, several "sins" are occurring besides the act itself.
Envy and Lying come to mind. Maybe sloth? If he was going to abolish that concept, wouldn't he have to abolish those concepts too?
If that happened, what would we be?
Is it just me? Or is it getting hot to you?
I dunno. I'd rather get back to trying to determine the likely hood of development of intelligent life in a Goldilocks zone. It's easier on the brain.
What happened to the kids that made fun of Ezekiel?
What happened to the first born Egyptian sons?
What happened to every single descendant of Ham?
God...
Let's say there was an Almighty... Then if that's the case, it's not so much HOW the universe developed, but WHY.
Actually WHY the universe formed applies either way I guess.
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Uh... Yeah.
Think about it some. kick the tires. Drive it around.
To us, Child abuse is horrifying, we'd go nuts to stop it. But that's us. All we know is there's child abuse going on and that's it. We can't tell or even almost determine if the act is part of a much bigger play going on.
From our point of view it's simple child abuse.
From God's point of view? Who knows?
But reading the Bible or the Koran, there's all sorts of stories where massive battles happened, mindless, or seemingly mindless murders and assorted cruelty that had to happen for better things in the long run.
.....Thanks Sinbad, now you got me trying to play the Devil's advocate for God...
Great. If there's a God out there, I'm in trouble.
So... did you get suckered by Jim and Tammy back in the 80's or something?
Yeah. Don't give those people money expecting the rainbows they promised. You'll only become a disappointed atheist with an abnormal obsession with religion.......oh wait... you probably know that - huh?
LOLOL When Black Sabbath got Ian Gillian to sing for them on the Born Again album, those bubbleheads actually though it meant "Born Again" and invited Ian Gillian to promote his album on their show.
Yeah. Back in the day, we'd hang with Sidney and watch them clowns. Most of the time we'd turn the sound down and play some sort of metal.
Y'all ever heard of Jimmy Swaggart? Well he's related to country and wester singer Mickey Gilley (think Urban Cowboy). Anyways, I used to get drunk once in a while with Keith Gilley, mickey Gilley's son and Jimmy Swaqggart's second cousin.
Screw Kevin Bacon. How many people does that make me away from God?
"The Bible says that God is:
omnipotent (all powerful)
omnipresent (everywhere)
omniscient (sees everything)
Which means he is present at, and witness to child abuse with the power to stop it.
Yet he chooses not too. Voluntarily allowing an innocent to suffer.
What kind of a bastard does that?
Either your God does NOT deserve worship, or your bible is wrong."
Lemme ask you something. When you see a cat going after a rat, do you stop it?
"Voluntarily allowing an innocent to suffer."
Like when he allows doctors to perform third trimester abortions?
You know you sound just like an evangelical preacher don't you?
"Either your God does NOT deserve worship, or your bible is wrong."
If you're an atheist, how do you know this? What great knowledge do you have that the rest of us don't?
If there is a God, then something tells me things are way more complex than the simplicity you're trying to make it be.
Jesus Christ Ms. Rose. My preacher Grand Pa told me I was basically unfit for salvation and I don't have anywhere near the attitude you do.
ROFL I have a couple a gay friends. I think I'll run that by them. I'll wait til they're drinking though to see if I can't get it to come out their noses when they start laughing.
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